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Files in Category:Chagall's windows in the Abbell Synagogue

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Firstly, there's zero evidence that synagogue in Israel qualify as "public places" for purposes of FOP there. Although this one seems to be located inside of a private hospital anyway, which clearly wouldn't qualify. Secondly, the artist of these windows, Marc Chagall, died in 1985. So these images are copyrighted until at least 2056 unless someone can provide evidence to the contrary.

Adamant1 (talk) 10:22, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide evidence for that and do you not think the fact that it's located inside of a private hospital matters? Surely a room inside of a non-public building can't be public regardless of if it's a Synagogue or not. --Adamant1 (talk) 10:35, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
First of all they are windows so the are inside and outside. There is no distinction in the Israeli law between internal and external public space. A public space is a public space. To the best of my knowledge, there were no lawsuits in Israel regarding freedom of panorama in an interior space. -- Geagea (talk) 10:51, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So are walls, but so what? Are you seriously going to argue that a painting on the interior of a wall qualifies for FOP just because the other side of the wall faces outside? Regardless, I didn't bring up the fact that it's inside of a non-public hospital to argue FOP in Israeli has anything to do with if the work is located inside of a building or not, but to say that the building that the synagogue is located in is already non-public to begin with. So there's no reason the synagogue would be.
Although the hospital grounds aren't really a "in a public place" anyway. Except for maybe being "outside", but that's not usually what laws mean by a public place. Nor do you seem to have provided me the evidence I asked for about synagogues to begin with. So I really don't think there's a reason these images would qualify for FOP. We'll have to agree disagree though since this isn't a debate. Nor do I feel like turning into one. Especially if you can't even cite anything saying synagogues are public places like I asked you to. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:00, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You missed my point. The israeli law does not distinguish between interior or exterior public place. The law include both.-- Geagea (talk) 11:07, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And you missed where I said that has nothing to do with what I was saying. --Adamant1 (talk) 11:09, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commons:Copyright rules by territory/Israel doesn't say if public interior is ok or not. Is there any precedent? --Krd 06:42, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]


 Keep Per Israel's Equal Rights for People with Disabilities Law, "public place" includes "Hospital, laboratory or institute for medical examination, clinic, mother-child station, Magen David Adom station or any other place that provides health services" (search for "Schedule 1"). OK, it's not the copyright law (which doesn't define "public place"), but I can't imagine that the definition would vary that much between laws. —holly {chat} 21:24, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kept: per Geagea and Holly. It is a public place even if privately owned. --Abzeronow (talk) 21:05, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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